Quora Questions on Causation & Determinism
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:15 pm
Quora Question #1, 07/26/2018:
In The Book of Why (page 199), by Judea Pearl, Can the coin-flipping example of Causal Paradox be applied to “acausal” Quantum Entanglement?
Elaboration on question :
THE BOOK OF WHY, Judea Pearl, 2018
In the chapter on Paradoxes Galore! (page 199), Pearl presents a thought experiment based on coin flipping. The result seems intuitively paradoxical, so he wrote : << Did the coins somehow communicate with each other at light speed? Of course not. In reality you conditioned on a collider by censoring all the tails-tails outcomes.>> That remark reminded me of an analogous statistical paradox in Quantum theory. Physically unconnected, but historically entangled, particles seem to exchange information at light speed via some mysterious "acausal" non-mechanism. I'm sure this absurdity is an embarrassment to quantum researchers, just as "spooky action at a distance" was for Newton and Einstein.
So, I'd like to see Pearl's casual diagrams applied to Quantum Entanglement, to discover if the observer, who set up the experiments, inadvertently <<conditioned on a collider>>. If so, then "acausal" entanglement may be an illusion due to some hidden <<confounder>> -- perhaps an artificial choice by the Observer to exclude (censor) some apparently irrelevant detail. <<Collider bias>> is a possible causal influence on outcomes, that may be negative or positive, but often produces a <<spurious association>> to intuition, yet can be detected by logical causal diagrams.
The Entanglement <<correlation>> may turn out to not be an illusion, but instead the result of unknowingly influencing the <<structure behind the data selection>>. This may not be a case of physical causation, but of mathematical causation, in the sense of changing the value of a link in the chain of causation (the mathematical structure), by an exchange of information instead of energy. Unfortunately, the notion of a mental cause may also be an embarrassment to materialist Physicists.
I'm merely an interested layman, and not qualified to apply Pearl's system to either Artificial Intelligence or to Quantum Physics. But, I'm hoping that some Quorans are up to the task.
Note: terms in <<quotes>> are defined in the book. Except he doesn't go into detail about the <<structure>> of the data, which I assume to be logical/ mathematical relationships, that are normally considered to be inert paths, not causal forces. But his related concept of <<counterfactuals>> refers to things that don't exist in reality, but only in mathematical possibility, or in human imagination. So, an experimenter could <<censor>> one possible causal branch (path) into the future, while permitting another to unfold in the experiment. I'm guessing that both the mathematical structure, and the structure-changing energy, are forms of causal Information (enformation).
In The Book of Why (page 199), by Judea Pearl, Can the coin-flipping example of Causal Paradox be applied to “acausal” Quantum Entanglement?
Elaboration on question :
THE BOOK OF WHY, Judea Pearl, 2018
In the chapter on Paradoxes Galore! (page 199), Pearl presents a thought experiment based on coin flipping. The result seems intuitively paradoxical, so he wrote : << Did the coins somehow communicate with each other at light speed? Of course not. In reality you conditioned on a collider by censoring all the tails-tails outcomes.>> That remark reminded me of an analogous statistical paradox in Quantum theory. Physically unconnected, but historically entangled, particles seem to exchange information at light speed via some mysterious "acausal" non-mechanism. I'm sure this absurdity is an embarrassment to quantum researchers, just as "spooky action at a distance" was for Newton and Einstein.
So, I'd like to see Pearl's casual diagrams applied to Quantum Entanglement, to discover if the observer, who set up the experiments, inadvertently <<conditioned on a collider>>. If so, then "acausal" entanglement may be an illusion due to some hidden <<confounder>> -- perhaps an artificial choice by the Observer to exclude (censor) some apparently irrelevant detail. <<Collider bias>> is a possible causal influence on outcomes, that may be negative or positive, but often produces a <<spurious association>> to intuition, yet can be detected by logical causal diagrams.
The Entanglement <<correlation>> may turn out to not be an illusion, but instead the result of unknowingly influencing the <<structure behind the data selection>>. This may not be a case of physical causation, but of mathematical causation, in the sense of changing the value of a link in the chain of causation (the mathematical structure), by an exchange of information instead of energy. Unfortunately, the notion of a mental cause may also be an embarrassment to materialist Physicists.
I'm merely an interested layman, and not qualified to apply Pearl's system to either Artificial Intelligence or to Quantum Physics. But, I'm hoping that some Quorans are up to the task.
Note: terms in <<quotes>> are defined in the book. Except he doesn't go into detail about the <<structure>> of the data, which I assume to be logical/ mathematical relationships, that are normally considered to be inert paths, not causal forces. But his related concept of <<counterfactuals>> refers to things that don't exist in reality, but only in mathematical possibility, or in human imagination. So, an experimenter could <<censor>> one possible causal branch (path) into the future, while permitting another to unfold in the experiment. I'm guessing that both the mathematical structure, and the structure-changing energy, are forms of causal Information (enformation).